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Hello, and welcome to TalkCastTalk, the podcast where we explore the timeless beauty of literature.
你好，欢迎收听 TalkCastTalk 播客，在这里我们一起探索文学的 永恒 之美。
I am your host, Benjamin.
我是 主持人 本杰明。
In our fast -paced, noisy world, finding a moment of true peace can feel almost impossible, right?
在我们这个快节奏、喧嚣 的世界里，想要找到片刻真正的平静似乎几乎是不可能的，对吧？
But what if we could step out of our busy lives just for a night and walk under the quiet glow of a
但如果我们能暂时脱离忙碌的生活，仅仅一个晚上，漫步在幽静的 光芒 之下，
full moon?
一轮满 月 之下？
Today, we are doing exactly that.
今天，我们要做的 正是 这件事。
We are diving into a masterpiece of modern Chinese prose that captures that exact feeling of
我们将深入探讨一部中国现代散文的 杰作，它捕捉到了那种
searching for quietude amidst inner unrest.
在内心不安中寻找 宁静 的感觉。
Thank you, Benjamin.
感谢 你，本杰明。
It is wonderful to be here.
能来到这里真是太 美妙 了。
It is an absolute honor to have you, Claire.
克莱尔，能邀请到你真是莫大的 荣幸。
For our listeners, Claire is a renowned literary translator and a professor of Chinese literature
对我们的听众来说，克莱尔是一位 著名 的文学翻译家和中国文学教授，
who has spent decades bridging the worlds of Eastern and Western prose.
她几十年来一直致力于 沟通 东西方散文世界。
Claire, you have a very special personal connection to this essay, don't you?
克莱尔，你和这篇 散文 有着非常特殊的个人渊源，对吧？
I do, Benjamin.
是的，本杰明。
Many years ago, when I was studying in Beijing, I actually walked along the very same paths of
多年前在北京留学时，我 实际上 也走过
Tsinghua Garden, where the author, Zhu Zeking, walked back in the summer of 1927.
清华园的那些小路，也就是 作者 朱自清在1927年夏天走过的路。
The essay we are exploring today is called Moonlight Over the Lotus Pond, or Heitong Yuese.
我们今天 探讨 的散文名篇是《荷塘月色》。
At the time, China was going through intense political turmoil.
当时，中国正经历着剧烈的政治 动荡。
Zhu Zeking, a sensitive intellectual and poet, felt deeply uneasy about the chaos around him.
朱自清是一位敏感的 知识分子 和诗人，对周围的混乱感到深深的不安。
One night, unable to find peace, he slipped out of his house to walk by the campus lotus pond.
一天晚上，他内心无法平静，便 悄悄 溜出家门，去校园的荷塘边散步。
The essay he wrote is not just a beautiful description of nature.
他写下的散文不仅是对自然的优美 描绘。
It is a profound reflection on the desire for temporary escape, the beauty of solitude, and the
更是在深层反思对短暂逃避的渴望、独处 之美，以及
gentle melancholy of returning to reality.
重返现实时那种淡淡的 忧郁。
That historical context is so important, it really transforms how we hear the words.
那种历史 背景 太重要了，它确实改变了我们领会这些文字的方式。
Before you begin, is there anything special you think our listeners should keep an ear out for?
在你开始之前，你觉得有什么 特别 的地方需要我们的听众特别留意的吗？
Yes, absolutely.
是的，当然 有。
I recommend focusing on how Zhu Zeking uses synesthesia, where he blends different senses.
我建议重点关注朱自清是如何运用 通感 修辞的，他将不同的感官融合在一起。
For example, listen to how he describes the scent of the lotuses as the faint singing from a distant
例如，听听他是如何将荷花的清香描述为远方 隐约 的歌声，
tower, or how he compares the play of light and shadow to a melody played on a violin.
或者他是如何将光与影的交织比作小提琴奏出的 旋律。
It is incredibly poetic.
这真是极其富有 诗意。
That sounds absolutely magical.
听起来真是 神奇 极了。
Well, without further ado, let us lose ourselves in the quiet beauty of Tsinghua Garden.
那么，话不多说，让我们 沉浸 在清华园宁静之美中吧。
Claire, the floor is yours.
克莱尔，发言权 交给你了。
Moonlight Over the Lotus Pond by Zhu Zeking July 1927, Tsinghua Garden, Beijing These past few days,
朱自清《荷塘月色》，一九二七年七月，北京清华园。这几天
my mind has been quite uneasy.
心里颇不宁静。
Sitting in the courtyard to cool off tonight, I suddenly thought of the lotus pond I walk past every day.
今晚在院子里坐着乘凉，忽然想起日日走过的荷塘，
Under this full moon, it must surely have a different look.
在这满月的光里，总该另有一番样子吧。
The moon was gradually rising.
月亮渐渐地升高了，
The children's laughter on the road outside the wall could no longer be heard.
墙外马路上孩子们的欢笑，已经听不见了；
In the room, my wife was patting our son, Runer, humming a lullaby, half asleep.
妻在屋里拍着闰儿，迷迷糊糊地哼着眠歌。
I quietly put on my overcoat and slipped out, closing the door behind me.
我悄悄地披了大衫，带上门出去。
Along the lotus pond runs a winding, narrow cinder path.
沿着荷塘，是一条曲折的小煤屑路。
It is a secluded path.
这是一条幽僻的路；
Few walk it even by day, and it is even lonelier at night.
白天也少人走，夜晚更加寂寞。
All around the pond grow many trees, lush and dense.
荷塘四面，长着许多树，蓊蓊郁郁的。
On one side of the path are willows and some trees whose names I do not know.
路的一旁，是些杨柳，和一些不知道名字的树。
On moonless nights, this path is gloomy and somewhat frightening.
没有月光的晚上，这路上阴森森的，有些怕人。
Tonight, however, it was very pleasant, though the moonlight was still quite faint.
今晚却很好，虽然月光也还是淡淡的。
I was alone on the path, strolling with hands behind my back.
路上只我一个人，背着手踱着。
This patch of heaven and earth seemed to belong to me alone.
这一片天地好像是我的；
I felt as if I had transcended my usual self and entered another world.
我也像超出了平常的自己，到了另一世界里。
I love bustle, but I also love serenity.
我爱热闹，也爱冷静；
I like being in a crowd, but I also like being alone.
爱群居，也爱独处。
Like tonight, alone under this boundless moonlight, I can think of anything or think of nothing at all.
像今晚上，一个人在这苍茫的月下，什么都可以想，什么都可以不想，
I feel like a free man.
便觉是个自由的人。
The things I had to do and the words I had to say during the day can now be completely ignored.
白天里一定要做的事，一定要说的话，现在都可不理。
This is the beauty of solitude.
这是独处的妙处，
Let me enjoy this boundless fragrance of lotuses and moonlight.
我且受用这无边的荷香月色好了。
Over the winding lotus pond, what nudes the eye is a field of lush, crowded leaves.
曲曲折折的荷塘上面，弥望的是田田的叶子。
The leaves rise high above the water, like the skirts of graceful dancers.
叶子出水很高，像亭亭的舞女的裙。
Scattered among the layers of leaves are white flowers, some blooming elegantly, others shyly in bud.
层层的叶子中间，零星地点缀着些白花，有袅娜地开着的，有羞涩地打着朵儿的；
They are like glistening pearls, or stars in the blue sky, or beauties just emerging from their bath.
正如一粒粒的明珠，又如碧天里的星星，又如刚出浴的美人。
A gentle breeze passes, bringing wisps of faint fragrance, like the faint singing from a distant tower.
微风过处，送来缕缕清香，仿佛远处高楼上渺茫的歌声似的。
At this moment, a quiver passes through the leaves and flowers, like a flash of lightning, instantly
这时候叶子与花也有一丝的颤动，像闪电般，
brushing to the other side of the pond.
霎时传过荷塘的那边去了。
The leaves, standing shoulder to shoulder, seem to ripple with a wave of deep green.
叶子本是肩并肩密密地挨着，这便宛然有了一道凝碧的波痕。
Beneath the leaves flows the silent water, completely hidden from view, making the grace of the
叶子底下是脉脉的流水，遮住了，不能见一些颜色；而叶子却
leaves even more striking.
更见风致了。
The moonlight flows like water, quietly washing over the leaves and flowers.
月光如流水一般，静静地泻在这一片叶子和花上。
A thin blue mist floats up from the pond.
薄薄的青雾浮起在荷塘里。
The leaves and flowers seem as if they have been washed in milk, or like a dream draped in light gauze.
叶子和花仿佛在牛乳中洗过一样；又像笼着轻纱的梦。
Although it is a full moon, a thin layer of cloud in the sky prevents a brilliant shine.
虽然是满月，天上却有一层淡淡的云，所以不能朗照；
Yet, to me, this is just perfect.
但我以为这恰是到了好处——
While deep sleep is indispensable, a light nap has its own charm.
酣眠固不可少，小睡也别有风味的。
The moonlight filters through the trees.
月光是隔了树照过来的，
The dense shrubs high above cast irregular, dappled dark shadows, stark and ghostly, while the
高处丛 生的灌木，落下参差的斑驳的黑影，峭楞楞如鬼一般；
sparse, beautiful silhouettes of the bending willows look as if painted on the lotus leaves.
弯弯的杨柳的稀疏的倩影，却又像是画在荷叶上。
The moonlight in the pond is not uniform, yet light and shadow weave a harmonious melody, like a
塘中的月色并不均匀；但光与影有着和谐的旋律，如
famous tune played on a violin.
梵婀玲上奏着的名曲。
All around the lotus pond, far and near, high and low, are trees, with willows being the most numerous.
荷塘的四面，远远近近，高高低低都是树，而杨柳最多。
These trees completely encircle the pond, leaving only a few gaps by the path, as if specifically
这些树将一片荷塘重重围住；只在小路一旁，漏着几段空隙，像是特为
left for the moonlight.
月光留下的。
The color of the trees is uniformly dark, looking at first glance like a shroud of mist.
树色一例是阴阴的，乍看像一团烟雾；
But the graceful form of the willows can still be discerned even within this mist.
但杨柳的丰姿，便在烟雾里也辨得出。
Above the treetops, a range of distant mountains is faintly visible, just a rough outline.
树梢上隐隐约约的是一带远山，只有些大意罢了。
Through the gaps in the trees, one or two streetlights peek through, listless, like the eyes of a
树缝里也漏着一两点路灯光，没精打彩的，是渴睡人的
sleepy person.
渴睡人的眼。
At this moment, the liveliest sounds are the cicadas in the trees and the frogs in the water.
这时候最热闹的，要数树上的蝉声与水里的蛙声；
But the bustle belongs to them.
但热闹是它们的，
I have nothing.
我什么也没有。
Suddenly, I am reminded of lotus gathering.
忽然想起采莲的事情来了。
Lotus gathering is an old custom of the South, which seems to have originated very early and
采莲是江南的旧俗，似乎很早就有，
flourished during the Six Dynasties, as we can gather from the poetry.
而六朝时为盛；从诗歌里可以约略知道。
The lotus gatherers were young women who went out in small boats, singing romantic songs.
采莲的是少年的女子，她们是荡着小船，唱着艳歌去的。
Needless to say, there were many gatherers, as well as onlookers.
采莲人不用说很多，还有看采莲的人。
It was a bustling season, and a romantic one, too.
那是一个热闹的季节，也是一个风流的季节。
Emperor Yuan of Liang described it beautifully in his Ode to Lotus Gathering.
梁元帝采莲赋里说得好：
And so beautiful youths and maidens drift in boats, their hearts pledged to one another.
于是妖童媛女，荡舟心许；
The dragon -proud vessels turn slowly, passing the wine cups around.
鹢首徐回，兼传羽杯；
As the oars are about to move, they get caught in the water weeds.
櫂将移而藻挂，
As the boats are about to stir, the duckweed parts.
船欲动而萍开。
Look at their slender waists bound with white silk, pacing with hesitant steps.
尔其纤腰束素，迁延顾步；
In the transition from spring to summer, when leaves are tender and flowers first bloom, they smile
夏始春馀，叶嫩花初，
softly, fearing to wet their skirts, and pull in their robes, dreading to tilt the boat.
恐沾裳而浅笑，畏倾船而敛裾。
From this, we can see the playful joy of those days.
可见当时嬉游的光景了。
It was truly a delightful affair, but unfortunately we no longer have the fortune to enjoy it today.
这真是有趣的事，可惜我们现在早已无福消受了。
And then I remembered these lines from the Song of Shizu.
于是又记起西洲曲里的句子：
Gathering lotuses in the southern pond in autumn, the lotus flowers rise above our heads.
采莲南塘秋，莲花过人头；
Bending down to play with the lotus seeds, the seeds are as clear as water.
低头弄莲子，莲子清如水。
If there were lotus gatherers tonight, the lotus flowers here indeed rise above our heads.
今晚若有采莲人，这儿的莲花也算得“过人头”了；
But without the sight of running water, it is incomplete.
只不见一些流水的影子，是不行的。
And this, after all, makes me miss the south.
这令我到底惦着江南了。
Lost in these thoughts, I suddenly raise my head and find myself already at my own door.
——这样想着，猛一抬头，不觉已是自己的门前；
Softly pushing the door open and stepping inside.
轻轻地推门进去，
All is quiet.
什么声息也没有，
My wife has been fast asleep for a long time.
妻已睡熟好久了。
Oh, Claire, that was absolutely breathtaking.
哦，克莱尔，那简直太令人惊叹了。
Thank you so much for that beautiful reading.
非常感谢你带来如此动听的朗读。
The way you captured the rhythm of Zuzaqing's prose, especially that transition from the quiet pond
你精准地把握住了朱自清散文的韵律，特别是从宁静荷塘
to the ancient memories of the south, it was like taking a journey through time.
过渡到对江南古老回忆的片段，就像是一场穿越时光的旅行。
Thank you, Benjamin.
感谢你，本杰明。
I am so glad it resonated with you.
我很高兴它能引发你的共鸣。
When translating this, I wanted to make sure that the soft, dreamlike atmosphere of the Chinese
在翻译时，我希望确保能够保留中文原著中那种柔和、梦幻般的氛围，
original was preserved.
使其得以完好保留。
There is such a delicate balance of sadness and beauty in his words.
在他的文字中，悲伤与美丽之间有着一种如此微妙的平衡。
Yes, and that contrast is so striking, particularly when he says, the bustle belongs to them, I have
是的，那种对比非常鲜明，特别是当他说“热闹是它们的，我
nothing, referring to the cicadas and frogs.
什么也没有”的时候，这里指的是蝉和青蛙。
It is a powerful reminder of how we can feel completely isolated, even when surrounded by the
这深深地提醒着我们，即使身处周围的环境之中，我们也会感到彻底的孤立，
vibrant energy of life.
感受着生命那充满活力的能量。
Yet, there is a strange comfort in that isolation, isn't there? Absolutely.
然而，那种孤独中却有着一种奇妙的慰藉，不是吗？确实如此。
It is the beauty of choosing to be alone, even if only for an hour, to find oneself before returning
这就是选择独处的美妙之处，哪怕只有一小时，在回到
to our daily roles.
我们的日常角色之前找回自我。
Well, for our listeners out there, we have a little question to get you thinking.
好了，对于广大的听众朋友们，我们有一个小问题引发大家的思考。
In the essay, the author compares the leaves of the lotus pond to a specific type of clothing worn
在文章中，作者将荷塘的叶子比作某种特定类型的服装，
by a dancer.
由舞女所穿。
Do you remember what it was?
你记得那是什么吗？
Let us know your thoughts by writing down your answer in the comment section below, or take a look
请在下方评论区写下你的答案让我们知道，或者看看
at what others are saying.
其他人都在说些什么。
I am really looking forward to reading your answers and seeing how this piece touched you.
我非常期待阅读大家的答案，看看这篇文章是如何打动你的。
If you enjoyed today's journey, we would love for you to join our TalkCast family.
如果你喜欢今天的旅程，我们非常欢迎你加入 TalkCast 大家庭。
Please consider subscribing, sharing the podcast, or becoming a member to support us in bringing
请考虑订阅、分享本播客，或成为会员来支持我们，
more literary treasures to life.
从而呈现更多生动的文学瑰宝。
You can also find the full English transcript and the audio of today's show on our website at www
你还可以在我们的网站 www 上找到今天节目的完整英文逐字稿和音频
.talkcast .top.
.talkcast.top。
And please tell us in the comments which essays, poems, or stories you would love to hear us read next.
另外请在评论中告诉我们，下期你最想听我们朗读哪些散文、诗歌或故事。
Your suggestions help us choose our themes for upcoming episodes.
你的建议将帮助我们选择未来几期的主题。
Thank you again, Claire, and thank you to all our listeners.
再次感谢你，克莱尔，也感谢我们所有的听众。
Until next time, keep listening, keep learning, and find your own quiet pond under the moon. Goodbye.
下期再见，保持倾听，保持学习，并在月光下找到属于你自己的那片宁静荷塘。再见。
Goodbye, everyone.
大家再见。
