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Hello, and welcome to TalkCast Discovery, the podcast where we go off the map and into the world.
您好，欢迎收听 TalkCast Discovery，这是一档带我们走出地图、探索世界的播客节目。
I am your host, Sarah.
我是您的主持人莎拉。
Have you ever wondered what it feels like to stand at the exact geographical turning point of a
你有没有想过，站在一个文明的精准地理转折点上
civilization, a place where the rugged, mountainous north of a country meets the lush, water -filled south?
是个什么感觉？在这个地方，国家崎岖多山的北方与郁郁葱葱、水系环绕的南方相遇。
Today, we are traveling to a city in central China that has stood as a silent, powerful guardian of
今天，我们将前往中国中部的一座城市，2800多年来，它一直是历史沉默而强大的守护者。
history for over 2 ,800 years.
历史长达 2,800 多年。
It is a city known to military strategists as the gateway to the south, to literature lovers as the
军事战略家称它为通往南方的门户，文学爱好者视它为
home of legendary heroes, and to food lovers as a paradise of spicy, steaming noodles.
传奇英雄的故乡，而美食爱好者则把它当成麻辣鲜香面条的天堂。
I am talking about Xiangyang, a historic jewel in Hubei province.
我说的就是襄阳，湖北省一颗闪耀着历史光芒的明珠。
Thank you, Sarah.
感谢你，莎拉。
It is wonderful to be here.
能来到这里真是太棒了。
You know, when we talk about Xiangyang, we are talking about a city that is practically a living
你知道，当我们谈论襄阳时，我们谈论的是一座简直活生生的
character in Chinese history.
在中国历史上的角色。
I spent five years living and traveling along the Han River Valley, and Xiangyang quickly became my
我花了五年时间生活在汉江流域并沿途旅行，襄阳很快成为了我
favorite place.
最喜欢的地方。
It is a city that has a very rare combination of military strength, what they call iron -clad bones,
这座城市非常罕见地结合了军事力量——人们所说的铁打之骨，
and soft -flowing water.
与柔和流动的江水。
The moment you see the massive city walls reflecting in the wide Blue Han River, you feel like you
当你看到宏伟的城墙倒映在宽阔碧蓝的汉江中时，你就会感觉自己
have stepped right into a classic ink painting.
仿佛直接跨入了经典的水墨画之中。
Oh, that is a beautiful image.
哦，那真是个美丽的画面。
An ink painting with iron -clad bones.
一幅带有铁打之骨的水墨画卷。
I love that.
我真的很喜欢那个说法。
And you mentioned the geographic location, Daniel.
而且你提及了地理位置，丹尼尔。
Let us start there.
让我们从那里开始吧。
For our listeners who are learning about China's geography, why was Xiangyang historically
对于我们正在了解中国地理的听众来说，为什么襄阳在历史上
considered such a big deal?
被认为如此重要呢？
Why did every dynasty want to control it?
为什么每个朝代都想控制它？
Well, Sarah, if you look at a map of China, Xiangyang sits right in the middle.
嗯，莎拉，如果你看一眼中国地图，襄阳正好坐落在正中间。
Historically, China was divided into the North and the South, geographically and culturally.
在历史上，中国在地理和文化上被划分为南方和北方。
The North had horses and flat plains, while the South had rivers, lakes, and boats.
北方拥有骏马和平坦的平原，而南方则多江河、湖泊和舟船。
If an army from the North wanted to conquer the wealthy South, they had to cross the Han River,
如果北方的军队想要征服富庶的南方，他们就必须跨越汉江，
which is the largest tributary of the Yangtze River.
汉江是长江最大的支流。
And guess where the best place to cross was?
你猜猜最佳渡江地点在哪里？
Right at Xiangyang.
就在襄阳。
The city controls the Han River Valley.
这座城市掌控着汉江流域。
If you controlled Xiangyang, you controlled the water highway to the South.
如果你控制了襄阳，你就控制了通往南方的水上干线。
That is why historians say, to control the country, you must first control the Central Plains.
这就是为什么历史学家说，欲控天下，必先控中原。
To control the Central Plains, you must first control Xiangyang.
要控制中原，就必须先控制襄阳。
It was the ultimate gatekeeper.
它是终极的守门人。
That is fascinating.
那真是太令人着迷了。
So it was basically the key lock on the door between North and South.
所以它基本上就是南北之间大门上的关键锁钥。
And because it was so important, it saw a lot of battles, right?
正因为它如此重要，它经历了许多战役，对吧？
I have read that the city has a famous nickname, Iron -clad Xiangyang, or Tieda Xiangyang in Chinese.
我读到过这座城市有一个著名的绰号，叫“铁打的襄阳”，中文里也叫“铁打襄阳”。
Where does that name come from? Yes.
这个名字是从哪里来的？是的。
Tieda Xiangyang is a name earned through blood and stones.
“铁打襄阳”是一个用鲜血和城石换来的美誉。
The most famous showcase of its defense was the siege of Xiangyang in the 13th century, which lasted
其防御力最著名的体现是13世纪的襄阳围城战，这场战争持续了
for six years.
长达六年之久。
The Mongol Empire, which had conquered almost all of Eurasia, was stopped right here by the Southern
几乎征服了整个欧亚大陆的蒙古帝国，在这里被南
Song dynasty defenders.
宋朝的守军挡住了去路。
The Mongols had to use advanced engineering, including massive trebuchets called Muslim mangonels to
蒙古军不得不使用先进的工程技术，包括被称为回回炮的巨型投石机，来
finally break the defense.
最终攻破了防线。
The city walls were so thick, the moat was so wide, and the defenders were so determined that the
城墙如此之厚，护城河如此之宽，守护者们的决心如此坚定，以至于
city seemed literally made of iron.
这座城市简直像是用钢铁打造的一般。
Even today, when you look at the city wall, you can still feel that heavy, unbreakable energy.
时至今日，当凝视这座城墙，你依然能感受到那种沉重而坚不可摧的力量。
Six years.
整整六年。
That is an incredibly long time for a single city to hold off an empire.
对于一座孤城抵抗一个帝国来说，这段时间长得难以置信。
I can only imagine the stories of bravery and strategy that came out of those walls.
我只能去想象城墙内曾诞生过的那些关于勇敢与谋略的故事。
In fact, is this not the setting for some of China's most famous martial arts novels? Exactly.
事实上，这不正是中国一些最著名的武侠小说的背景所在地吗？一点也没错。
Louis Cha, better known by his pen name Jin Yang, wrote The Return of the Condor Heroes, which is
查良镛，更为人所知的是他的笔名金庸，他写下了《神雕侠侣》，这是
one of the most popular wuxia novels in history.
历史上最受欢迎的武侠小说之一。
A huge part of the story takes place during this exact siege of Xiangyang.
故事很大一部分就发生在襄阳的这场围攻战期间。
The main characters, Guo Jing and Huang Rong, dedicate their lives to defending the city.
主角郭靖和黄蓉奉献了他们的一生来守卫这座城市。
Because of these stories, for millions of Chinese readers, Xiangyang is not just a place on a map,
正因为这些故事，对于数以百万计的中国读者来说，襄阳不仅是地图上的一个地点，
it is the ultimate symbol of patriotism, heroism, and loyalty.
它更是爱国主义、英雄主义和忠诚的终极象征。
It is amazing how history and fiction blend together to make a place so legendary.
历史与虚构融为一体，让这个地方变得如此传奇，真是令人惊叹。
But Xiangyang is not just about battles and defense.
但襄阳并不仅仅关乎战役与防御。
There is a much gentler, wiser side to it.
它还有更为温和、更具智慧的一面。
I'm thinking of a place that is deeply connected to one of the most famous strategists in Chinese
我正在想一个地方，它与中国历史上最著名的策略家之一有着深厚的渊源，
history, Zhuge Liang.
他就是历史上的诸葛亮。
Can you tell us about that?
你能告诉我们关于那个地方的事吗？
Ah, yes, we are talking about Gu Longzheng, or ancient Longzheng.
啊，是的，我们说的是古隆中，也就是古代的隆中。
It lies in the peaceful hills just 15 kilometers west of the city.
它就坐落于城西仅15公里处宁静的丘陵之中。
This is where Zhuge Liang lived in retirement as a young man, farming the land, reading, and
这就是诸葛亮年轻时隐居的地方，耕种农田，吟诵诗书，并
watching the world.
关注着天下大势。
In the Three Kingdoms period, Liu Bei, a warlord, heard of his genius and visited Zhuge Liang's
三国时期，割据一方的军阀刘备闻其英才，拜访了诸葛量的
simple thatched cottage three times to ask for his help.
简陋茅草屋三次，请求他的协助。
This famous historical event is called Sanpu Maolu, which literally means making three visits to the
这一著名的历史事件被称为“三顾茅庐”，字面意思就是三次拜访
thatched cottage.
茅草小屋。
It has become a Chinese idiom for showing deep respect and sincerity when inviting someone to work
这已成为一个中文成语，表达在邀请他人共事时展现出的深厚尊重与诚意，
with you.
希望其与你合作。
Oh, I love that idiom.
哦，我很喜欢这个成语。
It really shows how much they valued wisdom back then.
这真的很能体现当时人们对智慧的重视。
What is the vibe like when you visit Gu Longzheng today?
今天你去游览古隆中的时候，是一种怎样的氛围？
Is it still as peaceful as it was during Zhuge Liang's time?
它还像诸葛亮时代那样宁静吗？
Oh, absolutely.
哦，绝对是的。
When you walk into Gu Longzheng, the air instantly changes.
当你走进古隆中，空 气瞬间就变得不一样了。
It gets cooler, and you are surrounded by these high green hills and thick bamboo forests.
天气变得凉爽，你被这些高耸的青山和茂密的竹林所包围。
You can hear the gentle sound of mountain springs dripping over rocks.
你能听到山泉水滴落在岩石上的柔和声音。
Even though there are tourists, it still feels very calm and isolated.
虽然有游客，但依然让人感到非常宁静和幽静。
You can easily see why a young philosopher would choose this place to study the stars and think
你很容易就能明白，为什么一位年轻的哲学家会选择这里观星和思考
about how to bring peace to the country.
关于如何给国家带来和平。
It is a place that invites you to slow down, take a deep breath, and just think.
这是一个引导你慢下来、深呼吸并静静思考的地方。
It sounds like a perfect escape from our busy modern lives.
听起来这真是摆脱我们忙碌现代生活的一个完美避风港。
So we have the ancient battlefields, and we have the peaceful bamboo forests.
所以我们既有古老的战场，也有宁静的竹林。
But what about the city itself?
但是城市本身呢？
If we walk through the streets of Xiangyang today, what do we see?
如果今天我们走在襄阳的街道上，我们会看到什么？
I heard the city wall is still there, and it is quite unique. Yes.
我听说城墙依然还在，而且相当独特。是的。
The city wall is the pride of Xiangyang.
城墙是襄阳的骄傲。
It is over seven kilometers long, and it's beautifully preserved.
它全长七公里多，保存得极其完好。
But the real star is the moat.
但真正的明星是护城河。
Sarah, did you know that Xiangyang has the widest city moat in all of Asia?
莎拉，你知道襄阳拥有全亚洲最宽的城市护城河吗？
Wait, really?
等等，真的吗？
The widest in Asia?
全亚洲最宽的？
How wide are we talking about?
你说的具体有多宽？
On average, it is over 180 meters wide.
平均来说，它的宽度超过180米。
But at its widest point, it is actually more than 250 meters wide.
但在最宽的地方，它实际上超过了250米宽。
To give you an idea, that's wider than two football fields put together.
给你个概念，这比两个足球场加起来还要宽。
When you stand on the edge, it looks more like a grand, peaceful lake than a moat.
当你站在岸边时，它看起来更像是一个壮丽而宁静的湖泊，而不是护城河。
In the summer, it's completely covered with beautiful pink lotus flowers.
在夏天，河面上开满了美丽粉嫩的荷花。
Local people love to walk along the banks, play chess under the willow trees, or just sit and watch
当地人喜欢沿着河岸散步，在柳树下下棋，或者只是坐着看
the water.
水面。
It is turned from a tool of war into a beautiful park for the community.
它从战争工具变成了服务于社区的美丽公园。
That is a beautiful transformation.
那真是个美丽的转变。
From a defensive barrier to a park filled with lotus flowers.
从防御性屏障变成了盛开荷花的公园。
That really shows the resilience and the peaceful nature of the local people.
这充分展示了当地人的韧性和热爱和平的本性。
Speaking of local people, what is the lifestyle like there?
说到当地人，那里的生活方式是什么样的？
Is it fast -paced like Beijing or Shanghai, or does it have a different rhythm?
它是像北京或上海那样快节奏，还是有着不同的节奏？
Oh, it is much more relaxed, Sarah.
噢，要惬意得多，莎拉。
Xiangyang actually consists of two parts separated by the Han River.
襄阳实际上由被汉江分隔开的两部分组成。
Fangyang on the north bank, and Xiangyang on the south bank.
北岸的方阳，和南岸的襄阳。
Historically, Fangyang was the busy commercial port, while Xiangyang was the administrative and
在历史上，方阳是繁华的商业港口，而襄阳则是行政和
cultural center.
文化中心。
Today, the river is still the heart of the city.
如今，这条河依然是这座城市的核心。
In the evenings, you will see hundreds of people gather by the river.
傍晚时分，你会看到成百上千的人聚集在河边。
Some swim in the cool river water, even in late autumn.
有些人会在凉爽的河水里游泳，甚至到了深秋也是如此。
Others fly kites that go so high they look like stars in the night sky.
其他人放风筝，风筝飞得非常高，看起来就像夜空中的星星。
There's a real sense of community.
这里有很强的社区归属感。
People there really know how to enjoy the simple pleasures of life.
那里的人真的很懂如何享受生活中单纯的乐趣。
Swimming in the river in late autumn?
深秋还在河里游泳？
Wow, they must be very tough.
哇，他们身体一定非常强悍。
I suppose that ironclad spirit never really left them.
我想那种坚不可 摧的精神从未真正离开过他们。
Now, Daniel, we cannot talk about any Chinese city without talking about its food.
不过，丹尼尔，聊任何中国城市都少不了聊聊它的美食。
And I have been waiting to ask you about this, because I'm a huge noodle fan.
我一直期待问你这个，因为我是个忠实的面条粉丝。
I hear Xiangyang has a legendary breakfast culture.
我听说襄阳有着传奇般的早餐文化。
What is the deal with Xiangyang beef noodles?
襄阳牛肉面到底有什么特别之处？
Oh, my mouth is watering just thinking about it.
噢，我光是想想都要流口水了。
Yes, Xiangyang beef noodles, or Xiangyang nyorou mian, are not just a breakfast.
是的，襄阳牛肉面不仅仅是一顿早餐。
They are a religion in the city.
它们在这座城市里简直是一种信仰。
If you walk down any street in Xiangyang at six in the morning, you will hear steam rising from
如果你在早晨六点走在襄阳的任何一条街上，你会听到蒸汽升腾
small noodle shops, and hear the sound of metal ladles hitting big boiling pots.
从小面馆里冒出来，还能听到金属汤勺敲击滚烫大锅的声音。
Oh, tell me more.
噢，再多讲讲。
Paint a picture for us.
给我们描绘一个画面吧。
What does it look like?
它看起来是什么样的？
And more importantly, what does it taste like?
更重要的是，它尝起来味道如何？
Okay, picture this, a bowl of bright yellow alkaline noodles.
好的，想象一下：一碗鲜黄色的碱水面。
They're very chewy and have a great bite.
它们非常有劲道，口感极佳。
On top, they ladle a rich, dark beef broth that has been simmering overnight with beef bones and a
在上面，他们浇上一勺浓郁的深色牛肉汤，这汤是用牛骨加秘制配方文火慢炖了一整夜
secret mix of spices, like citron peppercorn, star anise, and cinnamon.
香料配方，比如花椒、八角和肉桂。
But the key ingredient is local beef tallow, cow fat.
但最关键的配料是当地的牛脂，也就是牛油。
It makes the soup incredibly rich and heavy.
它让汤头变得极其浓郁醇厚。
Then they add tender, thin slices of beef or beef tripe.
然后他们会加入嫩薄的牛肉片或牛肉牛肚。
Finally, they pour a generous ladle of bright red chili oil over the top and throw on some fresh
最后，他们在上面浇上一大汤勺鲜红的辣油，再撒上一些新鲜的
green coriander.
绿色的香菜。
Wow, that sounds intense, especially for breakfast.
哇，那听起来太浓烈了，尤其是作为早餐。
It's spicy, oily, and super rich.
它又辣又油，而且非常浓郁。
How do the locals handle that much heat first thing in the morning?
当地人一大早是怎么承受得住那么大辣味的？
That is the best part, Sarah.
莎拉，那正是最精彩的部分。
They have a secret weapon to balance the heat.
他们有平衡这种辣味的秘密武器。
You must drink it with Huang Ju, which is a local sweet yellow rice wine.
你必须搭配黄酒一起喝，这是一种当地甜甜的黄米酒。
It is served cold or slightly warm in a small bowl.
它盛在小碗里，冰镇或稍微加热后食用。
The wine is sweet, slightly bubbly, and very low in alcohol.
这种酒甜甜的，带点气泡，而且酒精含量极低。
When your mouth is burning from the spicy, rich noodle soup, you take a sip of this cool, sweet rice wine.
当你的嘴巴被辣而浓郁的面汤烫辣难受时，喝上一小口这种冰凉甜美的米酒。
It cuts through the oil and instantly cools your tongue.
它能解油腻，并瞬间让你的舌头降温。
The contrast between the hot, spicy noodles and the cool, sweet wine is absolute perfection.
热辣的面条与冰甜的米酒之间的对比堪称绝配。
It is a breakfast that wakes up every single cell in your body.
这是一顿能唤醒你身体里每一个细胞的早餐。
My goodness, that sounds like a culinary roller coaster.
天哪，那听起来像是一场美食过山车。
Spicy beef soup and sweet rice wine at seven in the morning?
早上七点就喝辣牛肉汤和甜米酒？
I think I would need a long nap after that, but I absolutely want to try it.
我想吃完之后我需要好好小睡一会儿，但我真的非常想尝尝。
Is it easy for travelers to find these noodle places?
旅行者容易找到这些面馆吗？
Oh, they are everywhere.
噢，它们到处都是。
You do not need to look for a fancy restaurant.
你不需要去找什么高档餐厅。
In fact, the best ones are the small, crowded street stalls where you sit on tiny plastic stools on
事实上，最好的面馆是那些拥挤的街头小摊，你坐在塑料小凳子上，
the sidewalk.
就在人行道上。
You rub elbows with local taxi drivers, businessmen in suits, and students on their way to school.
你和当地的出租车司机、穿西装的商务人士以及上学路上的学生挤坐在一起。
Everyone is eating the same noodles, sweating together, and drinking yellow wine.
所有人都在吃着同样的面条，一起出汗，喝着黄酒。
It is the great social equalizer of Xiangyang.
它是襄阳伟大的社交平等纽带。
I love that.
我喜欢这一点。
Food really has this power to bring everyone together, regardless of their background.
食物确实有这种力量将大家聚在一起，无论他们的背景如何。
Now, looking at Xiangyang today, how is the city managing its incredible historical heritage with
现在来看今天的襄阳，这座城市是如何在保护其不可思议的历史遗产的同时，结合
modern development?
现代的发展？
It is a very old city, but I know it is also a modern industrial hub.
这是一座非常古老的城市，但我知道它也是一个现代工业中心。
You are absolutely right.
你完全说对了。
Xiangyang is actually one of the major automotive manufacturing centers in China today.
襄阳实际上是当今中国主要的汽车制造中心之一。
It is a very busy modern city.
这是一座非常繁忙的现代城市。
But what I appreciate about Xiangyang is how they have protected their historical core.
但我欣赏襄阳的一点是，他们是如何保护其历史核心的。
The local government has put a lot of effort into restoring the ancient city walls and keeping the
当地政府投入了大量精力来修复古城墙，并保持
old town area free of modern skyscrapers.
老城区没有任何现代摩天大 楼。
They have turned the ancient streets like Beiji or North Street into pedestrian zones.
他们把北街这样的古街改造成了步行区。
When you walk down Beiji, the buildings have traditional tiled roofs and red wooden doors.
当你漫步在北街，建筑有着传统的瓦片屋顶和红木门。
It feels very authentic, not like a modern shopping mall dressed up as an old town.
感觉非常原汁原味，不像装扮成古镇的现代购物中心。
That is so important.
那太重要了。
Preserving the soul of a city while still letting it grow and modernize.
保留一座城市的灵魂，同时仍让它发展和现代化。
It sounds like they are doing a wonderful job.
听起来他们做得非常出色。
Daniel, if a traveler has only 48 hours to spend in Xiangyang, what would be your perfect itinerary
丹尼尔，如果游客在襄阳只有48小时，你会推荐什么完美的行程
for them?
给他们？
Oh, a 48 hour trip is perfect to get a taste of the city.
哦，48小时的旅行足够让你好好体验一下这座城市。
On the first day, you must start early with a bowl of spicy beef noodles and yellow wine at a local
第一天，你一定要早早开始，在当地的吃上一碗香辣牛肉面和黄酒，
street market.
就在街头市场。
Then head over to the ancient city wall.
然后前往古老的城墙。
I highly recommend renting a bicycle and riding along the top of the wall.
我强烈推荐租一辆自行车，沿着城墙顶骑行。
You get the Han River on one side and the old city rooftops on the other.
一侧是汉江，另一侧则是老城区的屋顶。
In the afternoon, take a ferry across the Han River to Fancheng to explore the old commercial
下午，乘坐渡船穿过汉江前往樊城，去探索古老的商业
streets and see the historic guild halls.
街区并参观历史悠久的会馆。
For dinner, try some local Han River fish.
晚餐时，尝尝当地的汉江鱼。
It is incredibly fresh and tender.
鱼肉异常鲜美细嫩。
And what about the second day?
那么第二天呢？
On the second day, leave the busy city behind and head to Gu Longzheng.
第二天，远离喧嚣的城市，前往古隆中。
Spend the morning walking through the peaceful bamboo forests and learning about the wisdom of Zhuge Liang.
上午漫步于宁静的竹林之中，感悟诸葛亮的智慧。
In the afternoon, return to the city and visit the Xiangyang Museum to see the incredible bronze
下午返回市区，参观襄阳博物馆，欣赏令人惊叹的青铜
artifacts from the ancient state of Chu.
来自古楚国的文物。
Finally, end your trip back at the city moat.
最后，回到城墙边的护城河结束你的旅程。
Watch the sunset over the water.
欣赏水面上的日落余晖。
Maybe take a small boat ride among the lotus flowers and just enjoy the cool evening breeze.
也许可以在荷花丛中泛舟，尽情享受晚间清凉的微风。
It is the perfect way to say goodbye to this beautiful city.
这是向这座美丽的城市告别最完美的方式。
That sounds like an absolutely perfect weekend getaway.
这听起来绝对是一个完美的周末短途游。
A mix of energy, history, peaceful nature, and of course, amazing food.
活力、历史、宁静的大自然以及美味食物的完美融合。
Daniel, thank you so much for sharing your passion and your deep knowledge of Xiangyang with us today.
丹尼尔，非常感谢你今天与我们分享你对襄阳的热情和深厚了解。
You have truly brought this ancient city to life.
你真正让这座古城焕发了生机。
It was my absolute pleasure, Sarah.
这是我绝对的荣幸，莎拉。
I hope our listeners get the chance to visit Xiangyang one day and feel its unique charm for themselves.
我希望我们的听众有一天能有机会亲自去襄阳，感受它独特的魅力。
It is a place that stays in your heart long after you leave.
这是一个在你离开许久之后仍会留在心间的城市。
Well, dear listeners, that brings us to the end of today's journey.
好的，亲爱的听众们，今天的旅程到这里就接近尾声了。
Before we go, we have an interesting question for you based on our conversation today.
在我们结束之前，根据我们今天的对话，我们有一个有趣的问题想问问大家。
If you could visit Xiangyang, which experience would you choose first?
如果你能去襄阳旅游，你会优先选择哪种体验呢？
Would you choose to explore the ancient city wall with Asia's widest moat?
你会选择去探索拥有亚洲最宽护城河的古城墙吗？
Or would you choose to wake up early for a steaming, spicy bowl of Xiangyang beef noodles paired
还是会选择早起吃一碗热气腾腾的香辣襄阳牛肉面，搭配
with sweet yellow wine?
甜甜的黄酒呢？
Please write down your answer in the comment section or take a look at what other listeners are saying.
请在评论区写下你的答案，或者看看其他听众是怎么说的。
If you enjoyed this cultural journey with us, please consider becoming a TalkCast member.
如果你喜欢与我们一起度过这段文化之旅，请考虑成为 TalkCast 的会员。
Your support helps us create more deep dive travel and cultural content.
您的支持能帮助我们创作更多深度的旅游和文化内容。
Do not forget to subscribe to our podcast, share it with your friends, and leave us your feedback.
不要忘记订阅我们的播客，分享给朋友，并给我们留言反馈。
We love hearing from you.
我们非常乐意倾听大家的声音。
Also, a quick reminder that the full English transcript and audio for this episode, along with our
另外提醒一下，本期的英文完整逐字稿和音频，以及我们
past series, are published regularly on our website at www .talkcast .top.
往期系列，都会定期地发布在我们的网站 www.talkcast.top 上。
Please head over there to check them out.
请前往网站查看吧。
Finally, what city or cultural topic should we explore next?
最后，我们下一次应该探索哪个城市或文化话题呢？
Let us know in the comments, and your suggestion might just be the star of our next show.
请在评论区告诉我们，你的建议很可能就会成为我们下一期节目聚焦的焦点。
Until next time, keep exploring, keep learning, and keep traveling with your mind.
下次见，保持探索，保持学习，用心灵去旅行。
I am Sarah, and this is TalkCast Discovery. Goodbye. Goodbye.
我是莎拉，这里是 TalkCast 探索频道。再见。再见。
